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Werner Herzog on Death, Los Angeles and Avoiding Introspection

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Presumably, Werner Herzog needs no introduction. Like an atmospheric phenomenon or a law of physics, the German filmmaker has been some kind of constant for over more than four decades of world cinema. That he continues to be a major presence in the world of film — churning out both documentaries and narrative features with supernatural regularity – certainly speaks to his uncompromising nature. But it also speaks to his adaptability – the same guy who made deranged German jungle adventures with Klaus Kinski is now making deranged American cop flicks with Nicolas Cage.

With the upcoming DVD release of his striking, impossibly strange thriller “My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done,” in which Michael Shannon plays an actor whose experiences with the far edge of civilization cause him to go mad and kill his mother with a sword, Herzog continues his exploration of the ways that myth and banality cruelly intersect in the world. True to form, the relentlessly busy director also is about to premiere his latest docs “Happy People: A Year in the Taiga” at Telluride and “Cave of Forgotten Dreams” at the Toronto Film Festival. He spoke to us recently about his recent journeys in American cinema, his new documentaries, his love of Los Angeles, and about old friends.

First of all, I was sorry to read about the recent death of Bruno S., who starred in “Stroszek” and “The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser.” Had you been in touch with him before he died?

In February, I spent a whole evening with him. He was already ailing. I remember that he had a handful of pills and complained about his heart condition. His name [Bruno Schleinstein] is known by now. At the time we made the films together, he didn’t want his name to be revealed; he wanted to remain the unknown soldier of cinema. It saddens me deeply that he passed away.

What was he like?

We’d need 48 hours to get into that. He was a very complicated person. He was tragically destroyed in his childhood. A man with an aura of tragedy around him that is unprecedented on any film screen in the world. We’ve never had anyone like him. In a way he was the best actor with whom I worked.

09022010_WernerHerzogHappyPeople.jpgYou seem to be constantly working, and always on a broad range of subjects. Do you just stumble into these subjects, or do you have some idea beforehand of what you want to do next?

Normally, the films stumble into me. It’s not that I’m sitting there and trying to figure out from the bestseller list which book could I convert into a film. The film I just finished — “Happy People: A Year in the Taiga” — was a complete stumbling of a film into me, almost literally. I went to the house of a friend, and I only stopped by because there was a huge parking spot near him. I stopped and I knocked on his door. And I see on his plasma screen there’s something playing. He wanted to turn it off, and I said, “No, no, this looks interesting.” And I ended up watching four hours of this Russian film about hunters in Siberia [originally directed by Dmitry Vasyukov]. And I thought one should make an international version of it.

The film was way too long, the commentary was not right, the music was bad. And we said, why not? And within a few weeks, I was working on this. I wrote a new commentary and spoke it myself, and got Klaus Badelt to compose music for it. There’s such wonderful material in it — it was such a joy to work on it. That’s the wonderful thing about Los Angeles. Things get done here. It’s not just people talking.

A lot of directors I talk to have a lot of terrible things to say about Los Angeles. But you’re something of a cheerleader for the city.

I moved to Los Angeles because my wife and I decided we had to live in the city with the most substance in the United States. And I do not regret it for a second. Don’t be misled by the superficial glitz and glamour of Hollywood. It’s the city with the most cultural substance. If you want to go into finance, go to New York. If you’re in the oil business, go to Houston. If you want substance, go to Los Angeles. I’m just proclaiming the banalities of tomorrow. [laughs]

09022010_caveofforgottendreams1.jpgYou’ve also got a documentary premiering in Toronto soon.

Yes. It is my film about Paleolithic caves, “Cave of Forgotten Dreams.” This film, I must say, has been a longtime fascination of mine. It was the first independent fascination I had, when I was 12 — independent of school and family.

So it was a long time lingering, and then I heard about the Chauvet Cave, which [has] the oldest cave paintings ever found, more than twice as old as anything else ever found. Dating back 32,000 years, a time when Neanderthal man was roaming around. And it’s fantastic, completely accomplished art. Phenomenal.

The film is going to be in 3D?

Yes. In principle, I am a skeptic of 3D, but in this case, it was the best decision. Some subjects are made for 3D, literally. You will see when you see the film.

“My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done?” feels like something of a departure for you. It seems to take place in a very ordered world — very suburban and placid, and has a very precise, ordered style to go along with it.

I think your observation about the very well-ordered American suburbia is interesting, because it makes it scarier that this ordered world is invaded by fear and horror. And when you speak about this orderly world, it points to the film itself, because the film is so very disciplined in its narrative and structure. In that sense, you’re right, it’s like no other film I have made.

09022010_WernerHerzogMySonMySon.jpgThere’s the slow invasion of fear into such an orderly world, which makes the film in a strange way very scary for me — existentially scary. It’s not like the axe coming at you; there’s a certain anonymous, ominous fear creeping up on you in this world. That made the story more fascinating for me.

Michael Shannon’s character is like someone out of myth adrift in a very orderly, American environment.

Yes. Or someone who has an almost quasi-religious mission, who listens to his inner voices. But I think we should put “orderly” in quotes, because it goes completely wild from these spaces. I mean, we have the largest tree stump in the world and a midget on top of it. The tiniest horse in the world mounted by a tiny rider. We are going into the wildest possible corners of the imagination. But you have to have a solid basis from where you depart.

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Last-Minute Holiday Gift Guide

Hits from the '80s are on repeat all Christmas Eve and Day on IFC.

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It’s the final countdown to Christmas and thanks to IFC’s movie marathon all Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, you can revel in classic ’80s films AND find inspiration for your last-minute gifts. Here are our recommendations, if you need a head start:

Musical Instrument

Great analog entertainment substitute when you refuse to give your kid the Nintendo Switch they’ve been drooling over.

Breakfast In Bed

Any significant other or child would appreciate these Uncle Buck-approved flapjacks. Just make sure you’re not stuck on clean up duty.

Cocktail Supplies

You’ll need them to get through the holidays.

Dance Lessons

So you can learn to shake-shake-shake (unless you know ghosts willing to lend a hand).

Comfy Clothes

With all the holiday meals, there may be some…embigenning.



Get even more great inspiration all Christmas Eve and Day on IFC, and remember…

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The final season of Portlandia approaches.

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Most people measure time in minutes, hours, days, years…At IFC, we measure it in sketches. And nothing takes us way (waaaaaay) back like Portlandia sketches. Yes, there’s a Portlandia milepost from every season that changed the way we think, behave, and pickle things. In honor of Portlandia’s 8th and final season, Subaru presents a few of our favorites.

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Put A Bird On It

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Colin the Chicken

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Dream Of The ’90s

This treatise on Portland made it clear that “the dream” was alive and well.

No You Go

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A-O River!

We learned all our outdoor survival skills from Kath and Dave.

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Catch up on Portlandia’s best moments before the 8th season premieres January 18th on IFC.

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Celebrity All-Star by Sisters Weekend is available now on IFC's Comedy Crib.

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Sisters Weekend isn’t like other comedy groups. It’s filmmaking collaboration between besties Angelo Balassone, Michael Fails and Kat Tadesco, self-described lace-front addicts with great legs who write, direct, design and produce video sketches and cinematic shorts that are so surreally hilarious that they defy categorization. One such short film, Celebrity All-Star, is the newest addition to IFC’s Comedy Crib. Here’s what they had to say about it in a very personal email interview…

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IFC: How would you describe Celebrity All-Star to a fancy network executive you just met in an elevator?

Celebrity All-Star is a short film about an overworked reality TV coordinator struggling to save her one night off after the cast of C-List celebrities she wrangles gets locked out of their hotel rooms.

IFC: How would you describe Celebrity All-Star to a drunk friend of a friend you met in a bar?

Sisters Weekend: It’s this short we made for IFC where a talent coordinator named Karen babysits a bunch of weird c-list celebs who are stuck in a hotel bar. It’s everyone you hate from reality TV under one roof – and that roof leaks because it’s a 2-star hotel. There’s a magician, sexy cowboys, and a guy wearing a belt that sucks up his farts.

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IFC: What was the genesis of Celebrity All-Star?

Celebrity All-Star was born from our love of embarrassing celebrities. We love a good c-lister in need of a paycheck! We were really interested in the canned politeness people give off when forced to mingle with strangers. The backstory we created is that the cast of this reality show called “Celebrity All-Star” is in the middle of a mandatory round of “get to know each other” drinks in the hotel bar when the room keys stop working. Shows like Celebrity Ghost Hunters and of course The Surreal Life were of inspo, but we thought it
was funny to keep it really vague what kind of show they’re on, and just focus on everyone’s diva antics after the cameras stop rolling.

IFC: Every celebrity in Celebrity All-Star seems familiar. What real-life pop personalities did you look to for inspiration?

Sisters Weekend: Anyone who is trying to plug their branded merch that no one asked for. We love low-rent celebrity. We did, however, directly reference Kylie Jenner’s turd-raison lip color for our fictional teen celebutante Gibby Kyle (played by Mary Houlihan).

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IFC: Celebrity seems disgusting yet desirable. What’s your POV? Do you crave it, hate it, or both?

Sisters Weekend: A lot of people chase fame. If you’re practical, you’ll likely switch to chasing success and if you’re smart, you’ll hopefully switch to chasing happiness. But also, “We need money. We need hits. Hits bring money, money bring power, power bring fame, fame change the game,” Young Thug.

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IFC: Who are your comedy idols?

Sisters Weekend: Mike grew up renting “Monty Python” tapes from the library and staying up late to watch 2000’s SNL, Kat was super into Andy Kaufman and “Kids In The Hall” in high school, and Angelo was heavily influenced by “Strangers With Candy” and Anna Faris in the Scary Movie franchise, so, our comedy heroes mesh from all over. But, also we idolize a lot of the people we work with in NY-  Lorelei Ramirez, Erin Markey, Mary Houlihan, who are all in the film, Amy Zimmer, Ana Fabrega, Patti Harrison, Sam Taggart. Geniuses! All of Em!

IFC: What’s your favorite moment from the film?

Sisters Weekend: I mean…seeing Mary Houlihan scream at an insane Pomeranian on an iPad is pretty great.

See Sisters Weekend right now on IFC’s Comedy Crib

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