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Geoff Johns explains how Aquaman is getting his groove back at DC Comics

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Long before Geoff Johns was named DC Comics’ Chief Creative Officer, the veteran writer made a name for himself bringing classic characters like Green Lantern (out this week), Flash, and the members of the World War II-era Justice Society of America back to the forefront of the publisher’s universe. One of the industry’s most celebrated superhero scribes on both the page and screen (he scripted several well-received episodes of the live-action, “Smallville” television series based on Superman’s early years), Johns recently undertook the daunting task of turning Aquaman, one of DC’s most punchline-friendly heroes, into a relevant member of the publisher’s A-list lineup.

And while some might scoff at the idea of DC’s trident-wielding, gold-shirted King of Atlantis standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Batman or Superman, Johns has managed to win over skeptics and newcomers alike with the first few issues Aquaman.

As one of the 52 new series DC premiered last year in its much-heralded, universe-wide reboot, Aquaman is one of the most pleasant surprises to come out of the event, with its mix of classic superhero storytelling and self-aware references to the perception of the character in the real world. IFC recently had a chance to chat with Johns about his approach to the character and why Aquaman has had so much trouble getting the respect he deserves.

And because he’s the CCO of DC Comics and one of the premiere architects of the DC Universe these days, we also made sure to ask Johns about a few other projects on his radar these days — including the DC Universe Online game and a few small-screen projects currently in the works.

IFC: So before we even get started here, I’d like to know what it is about Aquaman that appeals to you — because we’ve talked about this character a few times over the years and I know you have some unique feelings about him.

GEOFF JOHNS: Well, it’s two things, really: his awareness coupled with his reputation. It’s the fact that everybody knows who he is, but not a lot of people put him high on their list of favorite heroes. This is outside of the world of comics, too — so I think that’s an interesting dynamic to play with and explore.

IFC: So when it came time to pitch your take on Aquaman for the “New 52” relaunch, how was it originally received? I assume you have to be careful when you suggest anything that might be interpreted as hurting his reputation any further…

JOHNS: [DC editor Pat McCallum] and I talked a lot about what the take would be. We did a straight superhero take on him in “Brightest Day” [one of DC’s earlier, universe-wide events], and that was far and away the most popular story in that book. When I was talking about launching the book and diverging from that take and getting a little more off-kilter, Pat was really into it, but there was some push-back from other people. Once the script and art came in, though, people really got what we were trying to do.

And now that we’ve got our tone and got our book going, hopefully we’ll roll for a long time on it.

IFC: There’s one particular scene in the first issue that has Aquaman answering questions from a blogger character that clearly represents some of Aquaman’s critics and the people who made him into the punchline he’s perceived as today…

JOHNS: [Laughs] Yeah, that was an easy way to take on some of that…

IFC: In the scene, Aquaman gets visibly angry with the character who’s peppering him with ridiculous questions, and it left me wondering if that was a representation of your own feeling about all the Aquaman jokes. I know you’re a fan of the character, but how do you feel about Aquaman being the butt of jokes all the time?

JOHNS: No, the jokes don’t bother me. I actually like the jokes. There was a quote I read on Vice recently that said “finding Newt Gingrich at the head of the presidnential pack is like turning on ‘Super Friends’ and finding Aquaman in charge.” The fact that this was in an article about politics just says everything you need to know about Aquaman. I think that once you’re in on the joke and understand what he deals with — after all, he’s the easiest target in the world, but he’s a bad-ass and he can take it — you’re almost more justified in liking the character.

IFC: Well, I noticed that a lot of the first issue was devoted to Aquaman confronting this type of stuff, but then there was a little less of that in subsequent issues. Was this just an early, tone-setting thing, or can we expect to see him dealing with more of that “we’ll call you when we need to talk to fish” stuff down the road?

JOHNS: He’s always going to deal with this. I’ll say that about it. He won’t deal with it as directly as he did in issue #1 in most cases, but it’s not going to be something we’re going to change until the world’s perception of him changes.

IFC: Along those lines, Aquaman has always seemed to have a rough time making the jump from page to screen. There was that failed “Aquaman” television pilot years ago, and one or two other projects that never really got off the ground. Why do you think that is?

JOHNS: Well, he has been a huge character on “The Brave and the Bold” [animated series], and he’s very popular on that show — so I wouldn’t count him out completely. He also has some pretty prominent roles in a few video games coming up and things like that, too. But most heroes have never had their own pilot, so the fact that Aquaman even got one says a lot about his appeal.

I also think it’s incredibly expensive to do a show like “Aquaman” unless it’s firing on all cylinders — but again, the fact that he did get a a pilot and the investment was made is a pretty big deal. He was also a character on “Smallville,” and so was Mera, so he’s actually had a lot of exposure compared with some of the other heroes out there. He hasn’t headlined his own thing yet, but I think one day he will. The fact that he’s so well-known is certainly on his side.

Even so, the preconceptions of what Aquaman is and who he is are a challenge. A lot of people like Aquaman for nostalgic reasons, and kids like him because it’s cool to be Aquaman in the pool, but when you get older, Aquaman can be a bit of a joke. It’s tough to get people to give him a chance.

IFC: DC also rebooted the Justice League, so I’m curious about how this version of Aquaman will fit into that team. Superman is sort of the big gun and the moral compass, while Batman is the detective and street-level guy, and Green Lantern deals with the cosmic threats. What is Aquaman’s role?

JOHNS: He’s very much a leader, and some might say he is the leader — though public perception would never expect that. You’ll see his role evolve with the team. He’s still underestimated by some of the members of the team, though, and you’ll see that play out in the book.

IFC: What can you say about what’s next for the Aquaman comic?

JOHNS: Well, we’ll eventually get to Atlantis, and when we do, it’s going to be big.

IFC: We’ve mentioned “Smallville” a few times now, and over that show’s long, ten-year run, it introduced a lot of DC superheroes and proved they could make the jump from comics to the live-action world. Is there a desire to find the next “Smallville” over at DC and Warner Bros?

JOHNS: Of course you want DC characters on live-action TV. I think they’re great for it. The characters in the DC universe — the majority of them, at least — could be adapted pretty easily with the right takes. Right now, we have a lot in development that I can’t discuss, but it’s pretty well-known that we’ve got “Booster Gold” at SyFy, “Deadman” is at CW, and “The Spectre” is at Fox. And we have more shows in development beyond those, too.

IFC: I also noticed that one of your recent creations in the Green Lantern universe, the Orange Lantern, recently appeared in a Christmas-related campaign on DC Universe Online. Did you have any input on that decision or the narrative that puts characters like Larfleeze (the Orange Lantern) into the game?

JOHNS: DC works with Sony and Warner Bros Interactive on that stuff, but I did write the bible for the game. I’m not really involved in anything else, though. That being the case, they do updates on DCUO pretty regularly, and it was fun to see them want to get Larfleeze in there for Christmas.

You can pick up “Aquaman” #1-4 on shelves now, and “Aquaman” #5 will go on sale January 25, kicking off a new story arc in the series. The “Aquaman” comic book series is written by Geoff JOhns with art from Ivan Reis and Joe Prado.

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Comedy From The Closet

Janice and Jeffrey Available Now On IFC's Comedy Crib

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She’s been referred to as “the love child of Amy Sedaris and Tracy Ullman,” and he’s a self-described “Italian who knows how to cook a great spaghetti alla carbonara.” They’re Mollie Merkel and Matteo Lane, prolific indie comedians who blended their robust creative juices to bring us the new Comedy Crib series Janice and Jeffrey. Mollie and Matteo took time to answer our probing questions about their series and themselves. Here’s a taste.

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IFC: How would you describe Janice and Jeffrey to a fancy network executive you met in an elevator?

Mollie & Matteo: Janice and Jeffrey is about a married couple experiencing intimacy issues but who don’t have a clue it’s because they are gay. Their oblivion makes them even more endearing.  Their total lack of awareness provides for a buffet of comedy.

IFC: What’s your origin story? How did you two people meet and how long have you been working together?

Mollie: We met at a dive bar in Wrigley Field Chicago. It was a show called Entertaining Julie… It was a cool variety scene with lots of talented people. I was doing Janice one night and Matteo was doing an impression of Liza Minnelli. We sort of just fell in love with each other’s… ACT! Matteo made the first move and told me how much he loved Janice and I drove home feeling like I just met someone really special.

IFC: How would Janice describe Jeffrey?

Mollie: “He can paint, cook homemade Bolognese, and sing Opera. Not to mention he has a great body. He makes me feel empowered and free. He doesn’t suffocate me with attention so our love has room to breath.”

IFC: How would Jeffrey describe Janice?

Matteo: “Like a Ford. Built to last.”

IFC: Why do you think the world is ready for this series?

Mollie & Matteo: Our current political world is mirroring and reflecting this belief that homosexuality is wrong. So what better time for satire. Everyone is so pro gay and equal rights, which is of course what we want, too. But no one is looking at middle America and people actually in the closet. No one is saying, hey this is really painful and tragic, and sitting with that. Having compassion but providing the desperate relief of laughter…This seemed like the healthiest, best way to “fight” the gay rights “fight”.

IFC: Hummus is hilarious. Why is it so funny?

Mollie: It just seems like something people take really seriously, which is funny to me. I started to see it in a lot of lesbians’ refrigerators at a time. It’s like observing a lesbian in a comfortable shoe. It’s a language we speak. Pass the Hummus. Turn on the Indigo Girls would ya?

See the whole season of Janice and Jeffrey right now on IFC’s Comedy Crib.

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Inspiration For Die Hard Dads

Die Hard is on IFC all Father's Day Long

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Yippee ki-yay, everybody! It’s time to celebrate the those most literal of mother-effers: dads!

And just in case the title of this post left anything to the imagination, IFC is giving dads balls-to-the-wall ’80s treatment with a glorious marathon of action trailblazer Die Hard.

There are so many things we could say about Die Hard. We could talk about how it was comedian Bruce Willis’s first foray into action flicks, or Alan Rickman’s big screen debut. But dads don’t give a sh!t about that stuff.

No, dads just want to fantasize that they could be deathproof quip factory John McClane in their own mundane lives. So while you celebrate the fathers in your life, consider how John McClane would respond to these traditional “dad” moments…

Wedding Toasts

Dads always struggle to find the right words of welcome to extend to new family. John McClane, on the other hand, is the master of inclusivity.
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Using Public Restrooms

While nine out of ten dads would rather die than use a disgusting public bathroom, McClane isn’t bothered one bit. So long as he can fit a bloody foot in the sink, he’s G2G.
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Awkward Dancing

Because every dad needs a signature move.
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Writing Thank You Notes

It can be hard for dads to express gratitude. Not only can McClane articulate his thanks, he makes it feel personal.
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Valentine’s Day

How would John McClane say “I heart you” in a way that ain’t cliche? The image speaks for itself.
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Shopping

The only thing most dads hate more than shopping is fielding eleventh-hour phone calls with additional items for the list. But does McClane throw a typical man-tantrum? Nope. He finds the words to express his feelings like a goddam adult.
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Last Minute Errands

John McClane knows when a fight isn’t worth fighting.
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Sneaking Out Of The Office Early

What is this, high school? Make a real exit, dads.
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Think you or your dad could stand to be more like Bruce? Role model fodder abounds in the Die Hard marathon all Father’s Day long on IFC.

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Know Your Nerd History

Revenge of the Nerds is on IFC.

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That we live in the heyday of nerds is no hot secret. Scientists are celebrities, musicians are robots and late night hosts can recite every word of the Silmarillion. It’s too easy to think that it’s always been this way. But the truth is we owe much to our nerd forebearers who toiled through the jock-filled ’80s so that we might take over the world.

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Our humble beginnings are perhaps best captured in iconic ’80s romp Revenge of the Nerds. Like the founding fathers of our Country, the titular nerds rose above their circumstances to culturally pave the way for every Colbert and deGrasse Tyson that we know and love today.

To make sure you’re in the know about our very important cultural roots, here’s a quick download of the vengeful nerds without whom our shameful stereotypes might never have evolved.

Lewis Skolnick

The George Washington of nerds whose unflappable optimism – even in the face of humiliating self-awareness – basically gave birth to the Geek Pride movement.

Gilbert Lowe

OK, this guy is wet blanket, but an important wet blanket. Think Aaron Burr to Lin-Manuel Miranda’s Hamilton. His glass-mostly-empty attitude is a galvanizing force for Lewis. Who knows if Lewis could have kept up his optimism without Lowe’s Debbie-Downer outlook?

Arnold Poindexter

A music nerd who, after a soft start (inside joke, you’ll get it later), came out of his shell and let his passion lead instead of his anxiety. If you played an instrument (specifically, electric violin), and you were a nerd, this was your patron saint.

Booger

A sex-loving, blunt-smoking, nose-picking guitar hero. If you don’t think he sounds like a classic nerd, you’re absolutely right. And that’s the whole point. Along with Lamar, he simultaneously expanded the definition of nerd and gave pre-existing nerds a twisted sort of cred by association.

Lamar Latrell

Black, gay, and a crazy good breakdancer. In other words, a total groundbreaker. He proved to the world that nerds don’t have a single mold, but are simply outcasts waiting for their moment.

Ogre

Exceedingly stupid, this dumbass was monumental because he (in a sequel) leaves the jocks to become a nerd. Totally unheard of back then. Now all jocks are basically nerds.

Well, there they are. Never forget that we stand on their shoulders.

Revenge of the Nerds is on IFC all month long.

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