Jason Segel on “The Muppets” cameos and why you don’t mention puppets in a Muppet movie

Jason Segel on “The Muppets” cameos and why you don’t mention puppets in a Muppet movie (photo)

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Kermit the Frog, Miss Piggy, and the rest of the Muppets return to the big screen this week in their first theatrical release since 1999’s “Muppets From Space.”

A project several years in the making for “The Muppets” co-writer and lead Jason Segel, the film has been the subject of much attention since it was first announced back in 2008 — with many wondering whether the classic characters will retain their relevance in today’s culture.

IFC spoke with with Segel about bringing “The Muppets” back to the big screen and the tricky task of balancing the needs of longtime Muppets fans and the desire to introduce Henson’s creations to a new generation of children.

IFC: Jason, you’ve talked about growing up with the Muppets and how this is such a passion project for you, so what’s your earliest Muppets memory?

JS: My mother is a comedy dork like me, but I was a bit too young for “The Muppets Show.” I was born in 1980, and I think the show ended in ’82 or ’83, but my mom had very dilligently taped all the episodes of “The Muppet Show,” and as soon as I was old enough to watch them, she started showing me the VHS tapes. So my earliest memory is really me and my mom sitting on the couch and watching “The Muppets” together.

IFC: They say you can learn a lot about someone by knowing his or her favorite Muppet. Do you have a favorite Muppet?

JS: Yeah, it’s Kermit. I know that’s the easy answer, but when I was a kid, Kermit was Tom Hanks. He really formed my opinion of who I wanted to be as an actor.

IFC: The script for “The Muppets” went through a lot of changes over time, including some major edits to Walter, your character’s brother in the film who also happens to be a puppet. The original story had a completely different take on your character’s relationship with Walter, right?

JS: The ventriloquist issue was actually pretty interesting. In the original script we wrote, I played a ventriloquist on the boardwalk and Walter was my puppet, but the big secret was that Walter was really alive and always wanted to be part of the Muppets. But then the Muppets team came to us and said, “We’ve learned something over the years. You really don’t want to ever evoke the idea of ‘puppets’ within the Muppets, because Kermit is not a puppet. Kermit is a frog. Miss Piggy is a pig.”

IFC: Yeah, that’s always been one of those things you try not to overanalyze…

JS: Suspension of disbelief is part of the seed of the Muppets. It would’ve been very hard — and very meta — for a child to wrap his head around the idea that Walter is a puppet but Kermit is not a puppet, Kermit is a frog. It just becomes very confusing. So with movies like this, you try to eliminate as much reference to puppets as you can.

IFC: So we always hear about the danger of working with children or animals if you’re an actor. What can you tell us about working with Muppets?

JS: Well, it’s incredible logistically complicated. All the sets have to be elevated, and puppets don’t have eyes, so you can really only shoot with one camera at a time. It was funny, when we started we would be like, “And then when he walks in, Kermit looks over there.” The puppeteers were like, “Um, you guys understand that Kermit can’t see, right? When you say look over there, Kermit doesn’t know what that means.” So there’s no frame of reference, and we had to learn some particular logistics when it came to puppets.

But the thing I really walked away with was how talented these puppeteers are. They’re really the unsung heroes of this whole thing. Their job during the day is to be invisible. You’re never supposed to think about the puppeteer. The guy who plays Miss Piggy also plays Fozzie Bear and Animal, and in any other context, that’s like a Peter Sellers-like feat, you know?

IFC: Was there ever any temptation to use digital effects or other modern techniques to make things a little simpler?

JS: No, we specifically wanted to go back to the purist Muppets point of view. There’s something visceral that you can’t put your finger on about knowing that you can touch Kermit or meet Miss Piggy. You’ll never meet Shrek. Shrek lives inside a computer. But a kid can come to the set and hug Kermit. Whether or not he can articulate it, he can definitely feel it — he can feel the difference.

IFC: What about all the film’s cameos, and the involvement of so many people with various levels of exposure to the Muppets? Have you run into any trouble discussing the Muppets with people in and around the industry?

JS: It’s funny, because people’s memories of The Muppets are a little off sometimes. A while ago, someone asked me if I was going to play Kermit in the movie. I was like, “No… Kermit plays Kermit, guys.”

IFC: When it came to the cameos, were you surprised by all of the people who were interested — especially the actors who are much younger than you or I and might not have the same connection to them?

JS: The thing is, we didn’t really approach anybody for cameos. We made very few outgoing calls for this movie. As soon as word got around that we were doing the next Muppet movie, people were calling us to be a part of it, because it’s sort of a rite of passage to get to work with the Muppets. To be able to show your friends that you’re friends with Kermit — people were excited about that idea. Also, for comedians, the Muppets were a gateway to comedy. “The Muppets Show” was the first variety show you saw as a kid. That leads to “Monty Python” and “Saturday Night Live” and things like that. So for me, there’s a very sweet spot in my heart for the Muppets.

IFC: I sat in front of a pair of kids during an early screening of “The Muppets” and was pleasantly surprised by how much of the humor they got — especially with some of the more adult, self-aware jokes. How did you find that balance between entertaining kids and adults simultaneously?

JS: It really was a four-year process of finding a balance between the nostalgia factor for our generation and just humbly acknowledging that there is a generation who might not know who the Muppets are. Ego-wise, not just for the Muppets but for a Muppets fan like myself, it’s hard to wrap my head around the fact that the last Muppets movie was released 12 years ago. So kids ages 0-12 have not had a Muppets movie in their lives. So yes, we worked hard to find that witches’ brew of honoring the Muppets we grew up with and introducing Muppets to some people for the first time.

IFC: So if all goes well with “The Muppets,” can we expect a sequel? Is this something you’d like to do again?

JS: I think the way that I feel is, I serve at the pleasure of Kermit.

“The Muppets” opens November 23.

Related: “The Muppets” music supervisor Bret McKenzie teams with Kermit to sing “Life’s a Happy Song”

Let us know what you think of Segel’s comments about the film and The Muppets below or on Facebook or Twitter.

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Hard Out

Comedy From The Closet

Janice and Jeffrey Available Now On IFC's Comedy Crib

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She’s been referred to as “the love child of Amy Sedaris and Tracy Ullman,” and he’s a self-described “Italian who knows how to cook a great spaghetti alla carbonara.” They’re Mollie Merkel and Matteo Lane, prolific indie comedians who blended their robust creative juices to bring us the new Comedy Crib series Janice and Jeffrey. Mollie and Matteo took time to answer our probing questions about their series and themselves. Here’s a taste.


IFC: How would you describe Janice and Jeffrey to a fancy network executive you met in an elevator?

Mollie & Matteo: Janice and Jeffrey is about a married couple experiencing intimacy issues but who don’t have a clue it’s because they are gay. Their oblivion makes them even more endearing.  Their total lack of awareness provides for a buffet of comedy.

IFC: What’s your origin story? How did you two people meet and how long have you been working together?

Mollie: We met at a dive bar in Wrigley Field Chicago. It was a show called Entertaining Julie… It was a cool variety scene with lots of talented people. I was doing Janice one night and Matteo was doing an impression of Liza Minnelli. We sort of just fell in love with each other’s… ACT! Matteo made the first move and told me how much he loved Janice and I drove home feeling like I just met someone really special.

IFC: How would Janice describe Jeffrey?

Mollie: “He can paint, cook homemade Bolognese, and sing Opera. Not to mention he has a great body. He makes me feel empowered and free. He doesn’t suffocate me with attention so our love has room to breath.”

IFC: How would Jeffrey describe Janice?

Matteo: “Like a Ford. Built to last.”

IFC: Why do you think the world is ready for this series?

Mollie & Matteo: Our current political world is mirroring and reflecting this belief that homosexuality is wrong. So what better time for satire. Everyone is so pro gay and equal rights, which is of course what we want, too. But no one is looking at middle America and people actually in the closet. No one is saying, hey this is really painful and tragic, and sitting with that. Having compassion but providing the desperate relief of laughter…This seemed like the healthiest, best way to “fight” the gay rights “fight”.

IFC: Hummus is hilarious. Why is it so funny?

Mollie: It just seems like something people take really seriously, which is funny to me. I started to see it in a lot of lesbians’ refrigerators at a time. It’s like observing a lesbian in a comfortable shoe. It’s a language we speak. Pass the Hummus. Turn on the Indigo Girls would ya?

See the whole season of Janice and Jeffrey right now on IFC’s Comedy Crib.

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Die Hard Dads

Inspiration For Die Hard Dads

Die Hard is on IFC all Father's Day Long

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Yippee ki-yay, everybody! It’s time to celebrate the those most literal of mother-effers: dads!

And just in case the title of this post left anything to the imagination, IFC is giving dads balls-to-the-wall ’80s treatment with a glorious marathon of action trailblazer Die Hard.

There are so many things we could say about Die Hard. We could talk about how it was comedian Bruce Willis’s first foray into action flicks, or Alan Rickman’s big screen debut. But dads don’t give a sh!t about that stuff.

No, dads just want to fantasize that they could be deathproof quip factory John McClane in their own mundane lives. So while you celebrate the fathers in your life, consider how John McClane would respond to these traditional “dad” moments…

Wedding Toasts

Dads always struggle to find the right words of welcome to extend to new family. John McClane, on the other hand, is the master of inclusivity.
Die Hard wedding

Using Public Restrooms

While nine out of ten dads would rather die than use a disgusting public bathroom, McClane isn’t bothered one bit. So long as he can fit a bloody foot in the sink, he’s G2G.
Die Hard restroom

Awkward Dancing

Because every dad needs a signature move.
Die Hard dance

Writing Thank You Notes

It can be hard for dads to express gratitude. Not only can McClane articulate his thanks, he makes it feel personal.
Die Hard thank you

Valentine’s Day

How would John McClane say “I heart you” in a way that ain’t cliche? The image speaks for itself.
Die Hard valentines


The only thing most dads hate more than shopping is fielding eleventh-hour phone calls with additional items for the list. But does McClane throw a typical man-tantrum? Nope. He finds the words to express his feelings like a goddam adult.
Die Hard thank you

Last Minute Errands

John McClane knows when a fight isn’t worth fighting.
Die Hard errands

Sneaking Out Of The Office Early

What is this, high school? Make a real exit, dads.
Die Hard office

Think you or your dad could stand to be more like Bruce? Role model fodder abounds in the Die Hard marathon all Father’s Day long on IFC.

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Founding Farters

Know Your Nerd History

Revenge of the Nerds is on IFC.

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That we live in the heyday of nerds is no hot secret. Scientists are celebrities, musicians are robots and late night hosts can recite every word of the Silmarillion. It’s too easy to think that it’s always been this way. But the truth is we owe much to our nerd forebearers who toiled through the jock-filled ’80s so that we might take over the world.


Our humble beginnings are perhaps best captured in iconic ’80s romp Revenge of the Nerds. Like the founding fathers of our Country, the titular nerds rose above their circumstances to culturally pave the way for every Colbert and deGrasse Tyson that we know and love today.

To make sure you’re in the know about our very important cultural roots, here’s a quick download of the vengeful nerds without whom our shameful stereotypes might never have evolved.

Lewis Skolnick

The George Washington of nerds whose unflappable optimism – even in the face of humiliating self-awareness – basically gave birth to the Geek Pride movement.

Gilbert Lowe

OK, this guy is wet blanket, but an important wet blanket. Think Aaron Burr to Lin-Manuel Miranda’s Hamilton. His glass-mostly-empty attitude is a galvanizing force for Lewis. Who knows if Lewis could have kept up his optimism without Lowe’s Debbie-Downer outlook?

Arnold Poindexter

A music nerd who, after a soft start (inside joke, you’ll get it later), came out of his shell and let his passion lead instead of his anxiety. If you played an instrument (specifically, electric violin), and you were a nerd, this was your patron saint.


A sex-loving, blunt-smoking, nose-picking guitar hero. If you don’t think he sounds like a classic nerd, you’re absolutely right. And that’s the whole point. Along with Lamar, he simultaneously expanded the definition of nerd and gave pre-existing nerds a twisted sort of cred by association.

Lamar Latrell

Black, gay, and a crazy good breakdancer. In other words, a total groundbreaker. He proved to the world that nerds don’t have a single mold, but are simply outcasts waiting for their moment.


Exceedingly stupid, this dumbass was monumental because he (in a sequel) leaves the jocks to become a nerd. Totally unheard of back then. Now all jocks are basically nerds.

Well, there they are. Never forget that we stand on their shoulders.

Revenge of the Nerds is on IFC all month long.

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